Archive for August, 2016




On this blog we have covered some topics relating to the Health and Disability Commissioner (HDC) and how a number of decisions made by that Officer or his Deputy have been considered unfair, unreasonable and unacceptable to the complainants. While the Health and Disability Commissioner Act 1994 (The Act) offers the HDC a fairly wide scope to use discretion in assessing and / or investigating complaints, and also in forming a view and making a decision, there are very valid questions that must be asked about whether many decisions are made by failing to meet natural justice and possibly other legal standards.

We have some time ago been contacted by a number of persons who have taken a special interest in this matter, and at least one truly independent advocate is now very keen on hearing from people who felt that they were served great injustices when being presented decisions by the HDC.

There have already been a fair few media reports on such cases, and some persons have involved their own legal representatives to ask for further reviews and investigations, but often they find there are very limited means to address or even remedy decisions that appear very unfair to complainants, their relatives and friends.

In order to get a greater picture of what is happening with the HDC, and on what can and probably should be done to try and resolve such issues, the advocate who we will not name or otherwise identify has asked us to present a post like this, seeking comments and any other forms of feedback from persons who have been affected by HDC decisions.

You do therefore not need to present your personal details, if you so prefer, and can use alias names or email addresses, or if you reveal your identity, we are happy to keep this private and will not release it without your express permission. But any comments that appear genuine, valid and well based, we will consider to present here, if necessary by under “anonymous”, perhaps only giving other references like the time and/or date received. That is of course – if you agree to this.

Also are we happy to assist persons to touch base with the advocate, and we will then consult how to best do this, perhaps by offering an email address to complainants and commenters, so they can choose themselves to initiate a contact, with a possible prospect to perhaps be considered for participating in forms of action to address the often reported injustices.

We cannot share much more than that now, so it is up to you, the reader, to get back and leave a comment here, and we will go from there. Please indicate whether you wish your comment to be published here, as “anonymous” or with a given name, or not so. Also tell us whether you are interested in contacting the advocate.


For memory, the following complex posts have been published on this blog, which some may wish to read before going any further:


A separate post was about a complaint to the Ombudsman, being against the HDC:

(this relates to only two complaints handled under one reference number, so they may not be representative of how other Ombudsman decisions are formed and presented)



30 August 2016





We thank those who have expressed their concerns to the blog moderator and who asked to be put into contact with the advocate referred to in this post.

As there was only a limited response to this particular post, and as the advocate has more recently had to take a longer break for own serious health issues, we can no longer put persons who wish to share their experiences in touch with that advocate.

Also please note that this post is now over two years old, so it is perhaps not all that current anymore, although our concerns about the HDC remain and deserve to be taken very seriously.






Published 16 August 2016


A). Introduction

We have in previous posts on this humble blog-site revealed how frequently made assertions by the New Zealand government’s Ministry of Social Development (MSD), particularly by their Principal Health Advisor (PHA) Dr David Bratt, about the so-called “health benefits of work”, are not supported by proper and sufficient scientific evidence.

It appears that many of the bold claims are based on misleading information and advice that had been taken from a ‘Position Statement’ by the ‘Australasian Faculty of Occupational and Environmental Medicine’ (AFOEM), originally titled ‘Helping People Return to Work’, which was first formally presented in March or May 2010. The since then updated ‘Position Statement’ of the AFOEM is now known under the title ‘Realising the Health Benefits of Work’. Wrong conclusions were for instance drawn from a graph based on statistical data with limited value, on page 14 of the original ‘Statement’ (‘Helping People Return to Work’). An amended ‘Statement’ as part of a stakeholder ‘Consensus Statement’, signed by former AFOEM President Robin Chase on 01 March 2011, does not show the same graph, but mentions frequently quoted statistical information under the heading ‘2.0 HEALTH AND WELLBEING IMPACTS OF BEING OUT OF WORK’ (page 12). That information appears to be based on the same data that was used for the mentioned graph in the earlier ‘Statement’. The mentioned figures refer to the likelihood of a person’s return to work after certain periods of absence from work (due to accidents suffered). The graph was part of a presentation by senior AFOEM members Dr Robin Chase (former President) and Dr Mary Wyatt (then Chair of the ‘Policy and Advocacy Committee’). It resembles a graph ‘5.3’ on page 36 of another report titled ‘Factors Affecting Return to Work after Injury’: A study for the Victorian WorkCover Authority’ by David Johnson and Tim Fry, from Dec. 2002.

Dr Mary Wyatt is also linked to these online website and publication forums:

A link to the PDF with the report available on the Web, titled ‘Factors Affecting Return to Work after Injury’: A study for the Victorian WorkCover Authority’ is found here:

Click to access wp2002n28.pdf

Another report that has also partly been misinterpreted, but which is not of direct relevance here is the following, more recent one:
‘2008/09 Australia + New Zealand Return to Work Monitor’, by Campbell Research:

Click to access Australia%20and%20New%20Zealand%20Return%20to%20Work%20Monitor%202008-2009.pdf

The above mentioned ‘Position Statement’ on the “Health Benefits of Work” was first launched at the AFOEM in March 2010 by Professor Sir Mansel Aylward from the then called ‘Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research’ at Cardiff University in Wales. He had been invited to the AFOEM – as part of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) – by the then ‘Chair of ‘Faculty Policy and Advocacy’, Dr David Beaumont (formerly also employed by ‘ATOS’ in the UK). Prof. Aylward was asked to present his “evidence” that he and colleagues had gathered and reported on in the UK. Dr Aylward and his colleague Dr Waddell both worked at the mentioned research department at Cardiff University, which had for years initially also been funded by UNUM Provident insurance company. The name ‘UNUM’ was later dropped from the Centre’s name after controversy arose due to that insurer’s US branches’ activities ending in court cases revealing improper activities by assessors they used. Repeated mention is made in the AFOEM ‘Position Statement’ of Prof. Aylward, Dr Gordon Waddell and Kim Burton as senior “research” professionals, who have been pushing for a change in the approach to assessments and treatments of people with health conditions, injury and resulting disability. Prof. Aylward became Director of the Cardiff research department in 2005, after having been ‘Chief Medical Adviser’ for the ‘Department of Work and Pensions’ in the UK for a number of years.

Online copies of the ‘Position Statement’ by the AFOEM: (see page 14) (see page 12)

Some links to info on Prof. Aylward, Dr Waddell and Dr Beaumont – found on the ‘web’ (enjoying some controversy):
(See at the bottom: Dr David Beaumont is a consultant occupational physician with Atos Origin…”)


B). Most “evidence” appears to be at best inconclusive

At best, much, if not most of the so far presented “evidence” on supposed “health benefits” of staying at work, or returning to work early, while still injured and/or sick, has been inconclusive. Indeed some would argue the whole presumptions that work has significant “health benefits” or is even “therapeutic” is hardly proved; given that many forms of work carry various types of health risks (e.g. stress, occupational overuse syndrome, burnout and potential injury). Even such authors of reports promoting work for persons who are sick and disabled, like Drs Aylward and Waddell, and who claim that for many with “common mental health conditions” or “musculoskeletal conditions” this may even be “therapeutic”, they have often enough admitted that “more research is needed”.

We have shown in earlier posts, how statistical data had been hand-picked, was used rather selectively and presented out of context. We revealed how the information was often only the result of rather limited, randomly conducted interviews, surveys and other poor “research”. Certainly a fair amount of such “research”, for instance from the former ‘Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research’, now known as the ‘Centre for Psychosocial Research, Occupational and Physician Health’ (PROPH), cannot have been conducted in a sufficiently comprehensive and systematic manner. At least some of it appears to have been done without strictly following commonly accepted scientific approaches (e.g. by interviewing comparatively small numbers of selected participants). Also were many reports simply based on the interpretation of earlier statistical reports, after having merely done “desk research”. The validity and reliability of such reports has been questioned, even though some is claimed to have been peer reviewed. Apparent correlation of variables did not justify making presumptions on the causality of one from the other. Correlation and association does not necessarily conclude causation. Yet this appears to have been done on a number of occasions.

Wikipedia explains the challenges researches often face when evaluating results:
“”Correlation does not imply causation” is a phrase used in statistics to emphasize that a correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other.”

Some bold claims have been made that lack any substance at all, as far as we can assess. And one must suspect that there have been certain efforts made, to provide reports and comments on the “health benefits of work” and the harmfulness of “worklessness”, which may simply serve certain vested interest holding parties. These would be parties like government agencies, insurance companies, employers and their organisations, which may all somehow benefit from the creation of new “paradigm shifts” supporting more short-sighted “cost efficient” approaches in dealing with persons suffering health issues, injuries and work absenteeism.


C). Earlier posts on ‘nzsocialjusticeblog2013’ revealing flaws in “evidence” reports and in “presentations” by Dr David Bratt, MSD

One earlier post that revealed flaws in ‘evidence’ and more is found under this link:


Many presentations were given by Dr David Bratt, (PHA for Work and Income and the MSD) to numerous meetings and conferences attended by health professionals, educators and also other groups of people. One of them was called ‘Ready, Steady, Crook – Are we killing our patients with kindness?’ It is still found via the internet by clicking this link below:

Click to access C1%201515%20Bratt-Hawker.pdf

In that and some other presentations, clearly intended to influence medical and other health practitioners, to refrain from issuing medical certificates for people to take time off work, highly questionable data has been presented. In ‘Ready, Steady, Crook’ we find this for instance on slides 22 and 23, where not specifically named “Australian and NZ studies” are mentioned, which are supposed to show the percentage based likelihood of persons absent from work for certain periods in being able to return to employment. On the following pages (slides 24 and 25) in that presentation the ‘Adverse Effects’ and ‘Psycho-social Impacts’ are listed, for persons being absent from work for longer periods.

Dr Bratt does have a habit of not mentioning much in the way of his sources and where exactly his information originates from, and he also presents such “data” out of context, apparently trying to send home a kind of targeted “message”.

When looking at many of his presentations, one must wonder, whether he does at least at times not confuse cause with effect, as it is completely normal and understandable that seriously sick or injured people need to take time off work, and the more serious their conditions are, the more likely it is that they will be unable to work for longer periods, due to the duration of recovery and also the severity of resulting disabilities.

When reading and looking at the presentations though, one gets the impression that Dr Bratt tries to suggest, that people get sick from not working, and that being “workless” is the cause of their health issues. While there may well be some truth in it, that being out of work for longer will potentially also have some negative effects on a person’s health, this does not necessarily mean that being out of employment results in sickness and disability. People can stay fit and healthy without being in paid employment, which will be the kind of “work” Dr Bratt and MSD are talking about. Provided people stay active physically and mentally, within their reasonable abilities, we would argue, they will stay healthy whether they are in paid work or not. They may also be happy to rather do some voluntary work, or engage in various activities at home, which are not paid, and thus maintain mental and physical health.

The efforts by Dr Bratt and his employer MSD do rather seem to be intent to move the goal post, or to blur the line, regarding what has traditionally been accepted as being disabling health conditions and/or injuries, and what they may wish to instead have apply in the future. Quite understandably do MSD (with their main department Work and Income), and the government, have a strong interest in reducing the number of persons who may claim a benefit, in this case for grounds of poor health and disability. It would reduce their costs and result in “savings”, at least in the short to perhaps medium term. They do clearly have a vested interest that is at play here.


Some other presentations by Dr Bratt, repeating similar data and claims:

‘If a Benefit was a Drug would You Prescribe it?’, Rotorua, June 2010:

Click to access BO%2012%20830am%20David%20Bratt%20Benefit%20were%20a%20Drug%20V2.pdf

(see slides 15 to 22, particularly slide 18, and slide 31, which are of relevance in relation to this post)

‘Medical Certificates are Clinical Instruments Too!’, GP Presentation, 2012:

Click to access Fri_DaVinci_1400_Bratt_Medical%20Certificates%20are%20Clinical%20Instruments%20too%20-%20June%202012.pdf

(see slides 25, 26 and 33 as being of particular interest in relation to this post)

‘Benefit Sunshine’ “Is being on a Benefit Bad for your Health”, Welfare Working Group Forum, Wellington, June 2010:

Click to access David-Bratt-Benefit-Sunshine.pdf

(see slides 6 to 9 as being of particular relevance in relation to this post)

‘Happy Docs – true generalism with Welfare Reform’, RNZCGP Presentation, July 2013:

Click to access 1100%20-%20cs3-a%20-%20happy%20docs%20true%20generalism%20with%20welfare%20reform%20-%20david%20bratt.pdf

(see slides 21 to 23 as being of particular relevance in relation to this post, slide 22 also contains questionable data gathered through an unscientific, random survey of GPs)


Comment by the Author

The above does already imply that a kind of “agenda” appears to have been followed by certain members of the AFOEM, and in the consequence also by government departments in Australia and New Zealand, such as MSD, with the intention to reduce work absenteeism, prolonged unemployment resulting in either insurance claims or benefit receipt by persons with sickness, injury and disability. The aim was first and foremost to reduce costs and liabilities. Looking at the “presentations” used by Dr Bratt gives an informed and educated reader the immediate impression, that information is presented with the intention to influence medical practitioners such as general practitioners, and to get them on side in the efforts by the government agencies and also other vested interest organisations and departments to achieve the mentioned outcomes. In the following we can now show, how their so-called “evidence” has been challenged and proved wrong by a senior scientist and also by legal experts.


D). Gordon Purdie, BSc and Biostatistician, from the University of Otago – Wellington presented the following critical ‘Opinion’ publication in the ‘New Zealand Medical Journal’ (NZMJ), published on the New Zealand Medical Association website


“Is the statement that if a person is off work for 70 days the chance of ever getting back to work is 35% justified?”

“The 2010 Australasian Faculty of Occupational and Environmental Medicine (AFOEM) position statement, Realising the Health Benefits of Work1 contains the following statements:
Work absence tends to perpetuate itself: that is, the longer someone is off work, the less likely they become ever to return.
If the person is off work for:

• 20 days the chance of ever getting back to work is 70%;
• 45 days the chance of ever getting back to work is 50%; and
• 70 days the chance of ever getting back to work is 35%.

The statements are referenced to a study for the Victorian WorkCover Authority by Johnson and Fry published in 2002.2 However, the reference does not contain the statements or results that could support them.

The statements are being repeated by New Zealand3 and Australian4,5 government agencies, in the explanatory memorandum for a bill to amend the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act in Australia,6 non-government organisations7 and the commercial sector, including insurance.8 They were presented to the New Zealand Government’s Welfare Working Group Forum in the context of influencing government policy.3 The statements are frequently referenced to Johnson and Fry.2 They have appeared in international literature,9 also referenced to Johnson and Fry.2 “.

“Misinterpretation of survival curves”

“The conclusions appear to be based on the misinterpretation of survival curves. …”

(Read the full commentary on the website or in the attached PDF file!).

“The statements use”

“The statements are being used to support statements like: “Urgent action is required if a person is not back at work within a matter of weeks. If a person is not back at work within three weeks urgent attention is needed”11 even though the data is for time after an initial 10 days off work.”

“The incorrect statements about the chance of ever getting back to work are being presented to general practitioners (GPs) continuing medical education conferences in the context certifying people as unfit for work, together with statements like the ‘benefit’ is “an addictive debilitating drug with significant adverse effects to both the patient and their family (whānau)”.13 They are being presented to GPs in the context of assisting patients to safely stay at work or return to work early.4 These appear to be encouraging GPs to assess injured and unwell patients as having capacity for work and not issuing medical certificates for work incapacity. This could result in the cessation of welfare benefits or injury compensation. When these patients lack the capacity to work, they could experience increased financial hardship. For example, people might move from injury compensation to an unemployment benefit, and those without benefit entitlements to no income.”

And take note of this sentence (as quoted):
“The statements have also been presented with the intent to influence public policy.3,6,14.

Here is a link to the down-loadable PDF file with this report:

Click to access Purdie-1874FINAL1425.pdf


Please find hear some information on the author, Gordon Purdie, Department of Public Health, University of Otago – Wellington, on the University’s website:

“Research Interests and Activities”

“Gordon is part of a team in the Department of Public Health which provides statistical consulting to health researchers. Within the Health Inequalities Research programme, he is involved in the Differential Colon Cancer Survival by Ethnicity in New Zealand project and also works with Te Rōpū Rangahau Hauora a Eru Pōmare on several research projects, including Unequal Treatment: The Role of Health Services.

Gordon’s concerns include discrimination and inequalities, which are reflected in his health research.”


E). Opinion by respected West Australian legal experts on the controversial “evidence” that Dr Bratt and MSD, and even the RACP’s AFOEM have so often presented

Connor Legal – Barristers and Solicitors:

‘The Health Benefits of Work (Part 1)’

Extract from their website:

“According to WorkCover’s latest public relations handouts to medical practitioners, “work generally is shown to be good for health and wellbeing”, and “Research shows that early return to work is important to recovery”.

Let’s just pass over the amusing irony inherent in the claim that the very activity being performed by a patient at the time of injury, i.e. “work”, was in fact beneficial for that patient. Instead, let’s look at the evidence that WorkCover assures GP’s “overwhelmingly” supports these surprising statements. I’ll deal with the early return to work claim first since it is the most ludicrous.”

And here is another bit:

“So, the claim being made is that time off work causes time off work, because while they are away from work, workers are denied the “health benefits of work”. Denial of these benefits prejudices recovery, so workers take longer to get better. That this is so, is indicated by the table which shows a negative association between time off work and the chance of returning to work: greater absence – lower probability of return to work.

However, the claim is fallacious as (for a start) “correlation or association is not causation”. There are numerous examples available to illustrate this fallacy. An amusing one is as follows:….”

Read their further comments in that article on their blog on their website!

And have a read of this latest article, is it not “bizarre”, how the truth has to come out only so late, and this is just in relation to this one bit of “evidence” Bratt et al have thrown at us:

‘The Health Benefits of Work (Part 4)’

Extract from the website:

“Dr Purdie’s criticism was accepted by the the Faculty of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, RACP (NZMJ 19 February 2016, Vol 129 No 1430):

Dr Purdie makes a number of points about information in the Health Benefits of Work position statement and subsequent publications. We respond to his points in turn. Dr Purdie raised concerns that we have misinterpreted or misrepresented the survival curves. We concur, in retrospect, that we have not interpreted the survival curve correctly. We thank Dr Purdie for drawing this to our attention. The curve does indicate that the longer someone is off work the lower the chance of the individual returning to work, however the percentages quoted are not accurate. The concordance of the evidence supports the principle, if not the precise detail. We have recently published an update of the evidence and we plan to update the position statement.”

Read their further comments in that article (see link above)!

And here are other articles from this series of qualified and intelligent commentary:

We most strongly recommend that you read the whole lot, it proves that we have been served misleading nonsense with the “science” they use to justify assessing many seriously sick and disabled as “fit for work”, even when they have no realistic chance of getting a job.

Dr Bratt, Principal Health Advisor at MSD and for WINZ and his apparent academic master lecturer Mansel Aylward have been exposed, yet again.


F). Other report/s that question the usefulness and credibility of the ‘bio-psycho-social model’ promoted by “experts” like Prof. Dr Mansel Aylward and like minded scientists


‘In the expectation of recovery’, Faulkner, Centre for Welfare Reform, on ‘Scrib’:
“In the Expectation of Recovery”
by George Faulkner, Published by The Centre for Welfare Reform, April 2016
(With criticism of the biopsychosocial model, used and defended by Aylward et al)


G). Concluding Comments

So we have over many years been misinformed, by “experts” presenting us wrongly interpreted statistical data, questionable results from series of interviews and surveys offering only limited value, all designed and aimed at telling us that sick, injured and incapacitated persons need to be kept in paid employment by all means, as that is for most the best “therapy” to recover. Serious sickness and injuries are meant to only be temporary, and people who consider themselves too sick or injured to return to work, may simply just suffer from a victim attitude or “fool themselves” into believing they are not able to work.

Cause and effect appear to have been confused and false conclusions have been drawn from reports that were often just the result of desk research by persons who seem to have been overly keen to prove their views and interpretations of gathered information and viewed earlier reports.

We have taken note how some of the quoted “experts”, such as Dr David Beaumont, same as Prof. Aylward and others, have over recent years made efforts to rewrite certain information on their own or affiliated websites, and have now also made it more difficult to find older information that once used to be freely available on the internet. For instance Dr Beaumont’s profile on the ‘Fit For Work’ website reveals nothing about his former work for ‘Atos Origin’. Other information has suddenly vanished or changed. The former ‘UnumProvident Centre for Psychosocial and Disability Research’, of which Dr Aylward has been Director, was many years ago suddenly renamed, so the name ‘Unum’ vanished, and little info is found now, on their past involvement in establishing and funding the research department at Cardiff University.

These are just some things we note, and we must presume more information is “refreshed”, “reviewed” and “represented” or deleted while we read this here. It is time to be alert at all times, to challenge the persons who have been involved in all this, and to expose more of the truth, such as the respected professionals have done, whose new findings and revelations have surely discredited the so-called “evidence” on the “health benefits of work”.


Quest for Justice


16 Aug. 2016


For some other, earlier posts of interest, that also relate to this topic:
(see also parts B’’ to ‘I’ )




Now available in full on the New Zealand Medical Journal or NZMA website:

‘We respond to Dr Gordon Purdie’s Viewpoint, 20 November 2015’

“Mary Wyatt, on behalf of the Faculty of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, RACP”

19th February 2016, Volume 129 Number 1430

The PDF version found via this link:

Click to access Wyatt-2181-NZMJ-1430-FINAL.pdf


Comment on the contents:

Of course the persons responsible at the AFOEM and in the UK would never back down from their bizarre position, trying to save their reputation with presenting further hand-picked statistical reports and “evidence”, twisting the truth ever more.

Using statistics from selected groups of (injured) persons for a few geographical areas for certain (mostly long past) periods, and claiming their position is “generally” true, but admitting there are significant variations and other unresolved questions, the AFOEM and its representatives do increasingly look ridiculous. How can they use statistics gathered on accident patients with injuries, and use that info also for various forms of sickness (e.g. congenital conditions) and mental health conditions generally, we ask?

We will endeavour to cover more on this, and will follow the “review” and changes to the AFOEM/RACP “Position Statement”, and what else may come to “explain” and “excuse” their misrepresentation of information.




Dr David Bratt, Principal Health Advisor at the MSD, he has a long track record, and has been known for his strong “pro work” focus for many years now, he was once also on the ACC Board (see link):

From 04 Aug. 1997, about 19 years ago:


“David Bratt, who is a senior partner in the Newtown Medical Centre and has been a GP for 26 years. He is the Chairperson of the Wellington After-hours Medical Centre, and a board member and trustee of the Te Hopai Trust Board. “These new board members bring a range of experience and skills in health care, the insurance industry, road safety and business management that will make a valuable contribution to the board ” the Minister said.”

He is a New Zealander, now the PHA for MSD and WINZ, and has been behind the new “work focus” approaches at WINZ since 2007, even been appointed under the then still ‘Labour’ government (following advice and ideas from the UK). But he has had visits from Prof. Aylward (‘google’ his name, same as Dr David Bratt’s name) – that UK “expert”, who has a lot to answer for also. Bratt was even visiting that “expert” in April to May 2014, in the UK, to get more “training” from him.

More re Bratt and all that he has to do with:

Click to access msd-dr-bratt-present-misleading-evidence-on-worklessness-and-health-publ-post-19-09-16.pdf


The magazine ‘NZ Doctor’ has published this on YouTube, the two “experts” repeating the flawed mantra:

Aylward and Bratt, a clearly coordinated effort.

And they both love to stress how they also sucked the unions into their “consensus”, see the following videas with speeches by Dr Beaumont and others from the AFOEM, part of the RACP:

‘Implications of the Health Benefits of Work for New Zealand’, Panel Discussion, Wellington, 01 April 2015

See Dr Bratt as the third person from the right! And Dr Beaumont is of course “chairing” the whole event. God forbid, I wonder whether Helen Kelly does now regret ever having the CTU sign up to all this ideologically driven nonsense?

Dr Bratt appears to be arrogant and seems to emphasize his ideas, based on his developed views as a result of his interactions with Prof Aylward, who is by some considered to have been indirectly responsible for a fair few deaths through failed “welfare reforms” and flawed assessments he developed and help bring in (e.g. the tests he developed that led to the ‘WCA’) in the UK.

And our dear Minister for Social Development, Anne Tolley, has sucked it all up, believing this is the magic and best solution for sick, injured and disabled dependent on benefits:

Or alternatively try this link:

“Get em off benefits, get em off ACC, get em working”, no further questions asked, it is all “healthy”, and look at the “actuarial outcomes”, oh yeah. Count the reduced numbers of lingering beneficiaries, who have not “responded” yet to “services”. I know about “wrap-around services”, as a mental health sufferer – who I know – asked WINZ for paying disability allowance for counselling at $200 a session, the WINZ manager never got back, as they will not pay this, same as they will not pay for other services that cost more than the maximum $61 or so in Disability Allowance per week. Get on with it, is the message, forget your “ills” and get a job, that is all the recipes they know. Thank you, Anne Tolley, what you defend and propagate is a sick joke.


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